Tony Blair today on the evening news said that they can apparently tell if a child still in nappies is going to grow up to be a problem in society.
Babies/children deemed by whoever that are like this are going to have the authoritys intervene on the family to "help" them out.
Those parents who refuse help from the authoritys will be punished by loss of benefits, court orders and ultimately will have their kids taken away from them and put into care no matter if you like it or not.
It is happening just as me and Admin talked about, if they decide that your children are not being brought up how the state/goverment like they will take them away from you and bring them up how they think they should be brought up.
So to those of you who have children or grandchildren STOP THINKING THEIR YOUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN!!!.
THEY BELONG TO TO THE STATE OR GOVERMENT, and if in their opinion the child is going to be a problem in later life, or is not being brought up correctly YOU WILL accept help from the authoritys, or else YOU WILL be punished and you children taken away from you and put into care no matter if you like it or not.
Sandie Seward
This Blair interview was only shown on the BBC's 6 O'Clock News. There was no mention of it on ITV. Strange that......I wonder why?
But all these things are coming about just as I, and many others have predicted.
Tonight, Tony Blair looked almost manic when he was being questioned by the BBC's reporter. Mmmmm....must be all that time he's been spending with Cliff Richard!!!!
Sandie Seward
Tomorrow's potential troublemakers can be identified even before they are born, Tony Blair has suggested.
Mr Blair said it was possible to spot the families whose circumstances made it likely their children would grow up to be a "menace to society".
He said teenage mums and problem families could be forced to take help to head off difficulties.
He said the government had to intervene much earlier to prevent problems developing when children were older.
There could be sanctions for parents who refused to take advice, he said.
The PM has returned from his summer holiday to face intense speculation about his plans to step down.
In his first interview since his three-week stay in the Caribbean, Mr Blair insisted his policies could outlast his time in Downing Street.
His aides say people are more interested in problems like anti-social behaviour than in talk about when the prime minister will quit.
Starting early
The Conservatives say the government should not try to run people's lives.
And one think tank suggested it was almost "genetic determinism" to suggest children could turn out to be troublemakers before they were born.
Mr Blair told BBC News his government had made "massive progress" in tackling social exclusion but there was a group of people with multiple problems.
There is not going to be a solution unless we are sufficiently hard-headed to say that from a very early age we need a system of intervention.
Tony Blair's interview
There had to be intervention "pre-birth even", he said.
Families with drug and alcohol problems were being identified too late, said Mr Blair.
And there was a "pretty good chance" children of teenage mothers who were not in stable relationships would grow up in a "difficult set of circumstances" and develop behavioural problems.
He admitted many people might be uneasy with the idea of intervening in people's family life but said there was no point "pussy-footing".
But he said: "If we are not prepared to predict and intervene far more early then there are children who are growing up - in families which we know are dysfunctional - and the kids a few years down the line are going to be a menace to society and actually a threat to themselves."
Help had to be offered, but "some sense of discipline and responsibility" had to be brought to bear, he said.
Sanctions?
Official figures released in February showed the conception rate for girls aged 13-15 was 7.5 per 1,000 in 2004.
Mr Blair did not specify exactly what changes he was preparing to make or how they would work.
He pointed to the success of Sure Start centres in giving parents help.
And he said sanctions, such as anti-social behaviour orders or parenting orders, were already in place for those who refused support.
But experience from other countries suggested people were willing to get support if they knew where to get it, he added.
Nanny state
Conservative policy director Oliver Letwin said: "The answer is not more state intervention.
"It is to encourage the social enterprise, the voluntary sector, community groups, to help people without trying to run their lives for them."
Norman Lamb, chief of staff to Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell, said: ""Empty threats to pregnant mothers will do little to restore confidence in a government that has failed to tackle poverty, crime and social exclusion for the last nine years."
Anastasia de Waal, head of the family and education unit at think tank Civitas, said: "It is teetering on genetic determinism this kind of saying that before children are even born they are labelled as problematic."
Ministers should not take a "Big Brother" approach to the problem and look at the root causes of problem behaviour.
But Dorit Braun, Chief Executive of national parent support charity Parentline Plus, said he was pleased Mr Blair was talking about intervening before families hit crisis point.
"The difficulties will lie in how this is received by families," he said, saying intervention must be "respectful".
Ken R
They tried this "taking kids away from their parents and letting the state bring them up" thing a few years back......
It was called the Hitler Youth then !!!
Bye the way, it didn't catch on then any more than it will catch on now !!!
I think those that are calling this the nanny state, are perhaps getting their spelling mixed up a bit here, try deleting the 2 Ns and the Y in Nanny State and just replacing them with 1 "Z" and an "I"
How long do you reckon it will be before the Opposition parties are re-labelled The resistance Parties
Louise Vale
Whats coming next from this goverment?
I'm going to be honest here, i thought that when Labour came to power it was going to be a good thing, that it was going to be like the old Labour and be for the people and do whats in the intrest of the people, after all that's what they are put there to do BY US.
How could i have got it so completely wrong? .
I think what it needs is a whole new party to come to goverment, NOT Labour and NOT conservative, but a whole new party.
How about P.A.P?, The "Peoples Alternative Party".
A party that is going to operate in the intrest of the people, and consult the people on making all major decisions and laws and abide by what the majority of the people say.
A party that is going to stop being greedy and always thinking of themselves and try their best to do good for good people and concentate on getting THIS country straight and on it's feet before thinking about anywhere else in the world, that will put all its money back into making society better and fairer for everyone.
Now thats the sort of party we need in goverment, i also think we should stop refering to the people in goverment as "in power" and simply say "in goverment" because that word "POWER" goes to some peoples heads faster than a neat bottle of vodka and they start to think that they are dictators.
I could go on and say more things but i don't want this post to be too long, i hope that the things i've said in this post make some sort of sense at least .
Tricia
Blair talks the talk but can't or won't walk the walk and if he tries this he will have inevitable problems with the Human Rights lobby.
Someone I know is at present fostering an adorable little girl with a view to her going to an adoptive family. She has been with them for almost a year. At the beginning her young mother agreed to adoption then changed her mind. Before it could go to a hearing it was agreed that she should spend time with the child in a supported home to see if she would be able to manage but first she had to be off drugs for a period of six months. As she was unable to meet this requirement her solicitor asked if she could go to a 'less restrictive' place, which would not impose such a harsh 'no drugs' policy. This obviously wasn't the answer so it fell through. The girl's parents, who are themselves a major part of the problem with drugs, have said they will disown her if she gives the child up so again she is dragging her heels and everything is in limbo. In the meantime the child is being denied the opportunity to become part of a permanent family.
Of course parents should have the right to decide what to feed their children, whether or not they should have innoculations and most other matters without interference from the state but, I think, just sometimes the needs of the child (not the state) should take precedence over the 'rights' of the parents.
Sylvia
Immigration divides opinion in BritainDocument Actions 22/08/2006
News that more than 400,000 people from eight EU member states in eastern Europe have come to work in Britain since May 2004 dominated front pages of newspapers in Britain Wednesday and divided opinion over whether migrants have had a positive impact on the country.
The Independent, a left-of-centre newspaper, dedicated its first six pages of news to the story that about 427,000 eastern Europeans have come to Britain since May 2004, when they joined the EU.
The figures do not include self-employed workers, a category believed to cover many eastern Europeans in the building trade, and by some accounts, that contributes to making the overall number closer to 600,000. The government had initially predicted that about 20,000 would move to Britain for work.
The news has led to a widespread debate in Britain over whether it has accepted too many migrants, and whether it should leave its doors open to more.
The country's main opposition Conservative Party has called on the government to curb immigrant workers from Bulgaria and Romania when they join the EU, potentially as early as January next year.
Britain has yet to decide whether to slap restrictions on workers from Bulgaria and Romania when the two nations join the European Union, a spokeswoman for Prime Minister Tony Blair said Monday.
While The Independent makes clear its support for the inflow of migrants -- on its front page, it features a map of Britain covered in various national flags, accompanied by the words, "we celebrate the people who have come here from all parts of the world to make Britain what it is today" -- other newspapers are less in favour of the large numbers moving over.
At the other end of the spectrum from The Independent sat the Daily Express, which dedicated its front page to the story, under the headline: "Get ready for the Romanian invasion".
Right-of-centre newspaper The Daily Telegraph worries for the strain migrants, and their dependants, will place on Britain's public services, commenting: "However hard-working, well qualified and virtuous many of the new migrant groups have proved themselves to be, they and their families need housing and healthcare, and their children need schooling."
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